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 Post subject: Port Phillip Bridge
PostPosted: 04 Dec 2009, 17:54 
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December 4, 2009
IT WOULD be bigger and better than the Sydney Harbour Bridge and give Melbourne the architectural icon it has always craved.

It would also provide a true ring road around the city, easing traffic congestion in Melbourne and boosting growth in Geelong.

This is why lawyer, transport lobbyist and independent candidate for Higgins Peter Brohier thinks we need a bridge across the heads of Port Phillip Bay, linking the Mornington and Bellarine peninsulas.

Mr Brohier estimates a bridge spanning the heads would cost the Federal Government about $4 billion plus another $5 billion in ancillary works.

The cost would be justified by linking $200 billion of existing infrastructure on both sides of the bay and supporting economic development of these areas on an ''if you build it, they will come'' principle, he says.

His bridge would enable increased freight from the port of Hastings in the future to bypass the city and ease congestion on the city's clogged roads by creating more urban villages around the bay.

''This would be an outstanding new icon for Melbourne but it wouldn't be a useless one - it would save fuel, emissions, avoid gridlock and utilise those transport corridors that we've already paid for,'' he said. ''This is aimed at having the same vision as they had for the Sydney Harbour Bridge in the 1930s, but surpassing that.''

The idea is not new. Melbourne engineer David Broadbent tried to muster support for a bridge across the three-kilometre gap at the heads a decade ago and VicRoads had looked at the possibility as far back as the 1950s.

''It's a marvellous idea and anybody who says that it isn't is really stupid,'' says Dr David Wilson, a logistics consultant and former State Government director of transport in the 1980s. ''Technologically, it's a piece of cake but economically, in terms of cost-benefit analysis, it's probably not practical for another 50 years with Australia's population.''

RACV public policy manager Brian Negus supports the projects within the $38 billion Victorian Transport Plan as more urgent priorities but said a bridge could be considered in 30 years' time in light of Melbourne's projected population growth to 7 million.

Monash University transport expert Professor Graham Currie concedes a bridge would result in travel-time benefits for freight but is less enamoured of a bridge's environmental effects.

Long-time Point Nepean environmental campaigner Kate Baillieu was aghast at the proposal. ''It's been an amusing week on the political scene with a lot of unusual ideas floating around: maybe we could have a flying fox across the heads or even a slingshot,'' she said.


If this were to be built I should hope the design would be fairly unique. A bridge of this size will probably never be built in Victoria again so it ought to be something to remember. If this were to go ahead then Geelong would grow quickly as a result.


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 Post subject: Re: Port Phillip Bridge
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It's always been an interesting idea, and possibly everyone who visits the area thinks about bridging the Heads when they see how close the other side is. I suspect one of the reasons it's never been done is because the non-financial costs would be appalling. It would mean a big man-made structure in an area where people have been striving to keep things (relatively) natural; a big road for trucks constructed through Sorrento, Portsea, through the national park, and on to the Heads; it would have to be built high enough to allow shipping underneath it, which means long feeder roads; and a massive reaction of NIMBYism (and not unreasonably so).

Possibly a tunnel instead of a bridge would have less area impact, but it would be even more expensive I suppose, and the limited amount of traffic possibly wouldn't justify the investment.

To me it's a good idea in principle, but the difficulties outweigh the benefits.

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 Post subject: Re: Port Phillip Bridge
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This topic was brought up briefly by a caller on 3AW on Wednesday morning on the Mitchell program. I do not think it will happen within 100 years for the following reasons:

Large ships have to relinquish control to a representative of the Port Phillip Sea Pilots who guides the ship through the heads, both coming and going, due to the precarious nature of the heads. Any bridge would have to have appropriate setbacks to cater for a worst-case-scenario so as to avoid a repeat of the Tasman Bridge Disaster. Costs would be huge.

The sheer size of the bridge would likely necessitate it being a tollway under the present Victorian Government's preferred method of creating public-private partnerships and the obligatory bike lane would increase the cost. Being a tollway it would not fulfill the intended design for some decades until it became free, I would suspect;

The Victorian Government has just finished the PP-Bay dredging project at great expense. That project was entirely flawed and based only around propping up the Port of Melbourne Corporation (POMC) for another decade.

POMC's competitor, The Port of Hastings, has a much deeper bay that does not require dredging and can take the latest generation of super-ships with the correct infrastructure in place, like a rail line to a distribution centre (Dandenong has been suggested) and a decent highway network, which would probably entail linking up Eastlink with the Ring Road. When those projects are in place, the docks will be moved.

When the inevitable happens and the docks move to Western Port Bay and free up valuable waterfront land for an expanding Melbourne, there will be little use for big ships in the harbour with the exception of cruise liners. The cruise liners I have seen are as big as bulk carriers so the bridge size would not be reduced and the cost would be the same.

On the topic of a tunnel being utilised, I have heard that there is a large hole just outside the heads that is used by scuba divers to free-fall. I think it is about 90-metres deep. Before water levels rose, it was a waterfall from which the river apparently turned East, running toward Gippsland. There will be some info on a diving site somewhere. The proximity of this hole may prevent a tunnel being built on any economical scale, I'm unsure of how close it is to the heads.

All of that pessimism aside though, I would like to see a design competition begun and a discussion taking place as it could be a wonderful addition to Victoria. I hope it happens in my lifetime.


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 Post subject: Re: Port Phillip Bridge
PostPosted: 05 Dec 2009, 22:08 
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Sorry, I can only see this proposal as a gigantic waste of money. A lot of nonsense is talked about congestion as a problem and the need to "solve" it by building motorways here, there and everywhere, accompanied by the mantra of "development". It isn't a sustainable proposition. Why do we need a "true ring road" around the Melbourne megalopolis? Is there really a need to have a major freight highway rammed through the middle of Queenscliff and Sorrento? Where would this freight from the Port of Hastings be going ?

Unfortunately some people can't see two roads on a map without wanting to take a texta, join them up and promote it as an exciting new idea, no matter how little sense it makes it is in reality.


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Unfortunately some people can't see two roads on a map without wanting to take a texta, join them up and promote it as an exciting new idea, no matter how little sense it makes it is in reality.


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 Post subject: Re: Port Phillip Bridge
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There are billions in existing infrastructure, road and rail round the bay that can be used to cater for peak hour in both directions. Why should we not use our existing infrastructure more effectively? Why should we cut up our city with unnecessary roads and tunnels when we half use our existing infrastructure? Why is it a waste of money to link existing infrastructure that is worth far more than the cost of the new link? It's like having two hoses and not connecting them! The freight would go through Melbourne's south-eastern suburbs if the bridge were not in place. There is no need for a tollway, as the Commonwealth has not effectively supported an interstate transport corridor between Vic and Tas and should fully support this corridor now. It has supported and delivered every other inter-capital link. Why should this link and ring road be any different? The route should be well examined to minimise the impact on the Mornington Peninsula. A gigantic waste of money would be to not use our existing infrastructure as well as we can.


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